Rustic rye.. scaled to your kitchen
Sourdough Baking
Two loaves, one bowl. Amounts, a schedule you can pin to any time, the mixer to buy, starter feeding and discard pancakes.
Rye 25% · Water 73% · Dough 1,528 g
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Setup
Teach it my last bake
Ingredients
| In this order | Grams | Scale reads | % flour | |
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Schedule
| Tap a time | Step | Length |
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At your altitude
Why the first rise runs about 11 h
Starter is a small crew raising a barn, hiring more hands as it goes. Start with fewer workers or on a colder day, and the job takes longer.
This recipe uses 13.75% starter by flour weight. Your note on the recipe sheet reads about 11 to 13 h, and it does not say when the clock started. 11 h from the salt step is 12 h 15 m from when starter goes in, so it fits either way. Expect about 9.5 to 13 h. That is normal, and your kitchen is fine. The old page's 6 h was about 2x short.
- Sourdough Journey chart: 20% starter, 70 F dough, 75% rise takes 8 to 12 h. Less starter runs longer.
- Ferment calculator: at 68 F, just to a 50% rise, 6 to 8 h with 20% starter and 8.5 to 11.5 h with 10%. The site calls these planning spreads, not measurements.
- Sourdough Home covers why thin air speeds it back up a bit.
The estimate starts from 11 h at 68 F and 5,280 ft, then doubles for every 15 F colder. In a kitchen over 70 F it also stops at a lower rise, the way the chart does. It counts from the salt step. That starting point is my reading of your note, so teach it your own number after a bake.
Want it shorter? Warm the dough. A spot near 76 F cuts it to about 6 h and you stop at about a 50% rise. Or use 80 g starter per loaf for about 2 h less. Both numbers are my estimates.
How to read the rise
Tape on the tub works like a rain gauge. It tells you the level, and the level decides. The clock only helps you plan.
- Straight sided tub. Tape at the top of the dough right after the salt step.
- Measure that height. Put a second tape at 1.75 times the height.
- Tub with liter marks? You start near 1.3 L and stop near 2.2 L. The start uses Sourdough Journey's rule of thumb, flour grams x 1.5 in ml.
- Optional: a walnut size piece of dough in a small straight jar, next to the tub.
- Also look for a smooth, puffy top and bubbles at the edges.
- Loaves dense or gummy? Next time raise the target by 10 points.
| Dough temp | Stop at this rise | Chart hours |
|---|---|---|
| 65 F | 100% | 12 to 16 |
| 70 F | 75% | 8 to 12 |
| 75 F | 50% | 5 to 7 |
| 80 F | 30%, plus other signs | 3.5 to 5.5 |
Chart formula: 90% bread flour, 10% whole wheat, 75% water, 20% starter, 2% salt, counted from when starter goes in. Yours runs longer on less starter. This page holds 75% at 70 F and below, as your recipe says.
Why the dough balls on the whisk, and the free fix
Dough on a whisk is cotton candy on a cone. Once sticky strands form, they wrap whatever is turning in them. So the ball means it came together. Stop there, because more whisking only packs it on.
Adding flour a bit at a time likely makes that happen with half the flour still dry. That is my reasoning, and I found no test of it.
- Premix the three flours in jars the night before. Then you weigh one thing.
- Water, starter and honey first. Whisk until milky.
- All the flour at once. Whisk only until shaggy. Stop at the first ball.
- Knock it off with a wet stiff scraper. Work the dry bits about 1 min with the scraper or one wet hand. The other hand stays dry and holds the bowl.
- Stop while it is lumpy. The 1 h rest does the smoothing.
- Use a wide bowl, 6 qt or more, with a bowl of water beside it.
Target is about 15 min with weighing, against your 30. Not timed on your dough yet. Still a fight at 1.5 kg? That is the case for a mixer.
Why fridge, why tuned, other small things
- Fridge overnight slows the rise, builds flavor, and a cold loaf scores cleanly. Colorado State and King Arthur both suggest it at altitude.
- Salt 8 g is 2% of the flour, which is what the Sourdough Journey formula uses.
- 1 h preheat and 2 h cool are judgment calls. King Arthur says preheat near the end of the rise and cool completely, with no hours given.
- Water temp is my heat math to land the dough near 76 F. It matches your recipe's 80 to 85 F at 68 F.
- Wet hands, no extra flour on the dough. Rye is sticky and eases after the rest.
- Keep it covered. Dry mountain air forms a skin.
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The mixer to buy
| Mixer | Price | Your 1.5 kg batch | Owner record | Watch out |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| World class pickFamag IM-5S, regularPleasant Hill Grain, the only US service center. 1-866-467-6123 | $1,750, free shipping, ships in 5 to 7 business days.Cheapest Famag today: Ruby HH clearance $1,605. Ask which condition grade. About $1,875 at most, for an HH at $1,785 plus about 5% sales tax if charged. | Rated 0.5 to 5 kg, so one loaf works too. 8.4 qt bowl lifts out. Spiral with a breaker bar, so it mostly runs alone. | 4.9 of 5, 47 reviews at the seller, entered in its sweepstakes. A retired bakery owner reports good development at about 1,500 g. Another runs 1.5 kg at 78%. Owners since 2019. | 66 lb, two person lift. Head rises to 26 in, so pull it out from under cabinets. No timer. Some owners needed bowl lock shims from the seller, and one had a bowl sensor that kept stopping the mixer. 3 year warranty. |
| If 66 lb will not fitOoni Halo ProBuy on ooni.com for the 5 year warranty. | $799, range $719.10 to about $840.Low end uses the 10% first time newsletter code, not tested at checkout. High end adds about 5% sales tax. Ooni also offers 15% off with proof to military, students, teachers, healthcare workers and some others, per one reviewer. | Ooni lists 2.2 to 11 lb, so 1.5 kg fits and one 764 g loaf is under its minimum. 7.3 qt. Auto stop timer. 32 lb. Reached windowpane in 7 to 12 min in one reviewer's test. | 4.7 of 5, 1,009 reviews, 2.6% one star. I read all 26 one star reviews: 7 stuck or snapped hooks, 7 dead or defective units. Many name slow email support. | The hook failure runs from May 2025 to Oct 2026, so it is not fixed. Run it hard inside 60 days, keep the box, take the hook off after every mix. Warms most on long mixes, 9 F at 13 min. |
| Longest recordAnkarsrum Original, EssentialAlso at Breadtopia. | $749.95$50 under the old package because it drops the beater bowl and whisks. That is not a sale. | 7.4 qt, 11 lb of dough, 19 lb machine. Coolest dough tested, 1 F warmer at 13 min. Windowpane in 8 to 15 min. | 4.9 of 5, 577 reviews at the seller, same sweepstakes. Decades on the market. 7 year warranty on the base, only from authorized sellers. | You adjust the arm and scraper during the mix, so you stand there. Your ask was a machine that does the work. |
| Cheapest that worksZacme 8.4 qtModel ZM-KM76A05. | $499.99Flash sales near $385 once or twice a month, per one reviewer. Tracker low $379.99 on Jun 23, 2026. | 1,500 g of flour at most. Kneading speed 3 or under. Slowest working mixer, 12 to 18 min to windowpane. Very quiet. | 4.6 of 5, about 550 reviews on reseller pages (snippets only). 46 ratings at Walmart. New brand. 2 year warranty. | 33 lb. Bowl is very hard to twist out. Screech on some units. Durability unproven. |
Left out: Bosch Universal Plus ($499) warms the dough and has a plastic bowl with a center post. KitchenAid bowl lift ($649.99) took 20 to 30+ min to windowpane. Ooni Halo Core ($599) has no timer and a 4.8 qt bowl. No money yet? The free mixing fix is on the Bake tab. Want the mixer steps? .
Before you buy
- Measure your spot. Counter to the bottom of the upper cabinets. Famag is 15.25 in with the head down and 26 in with it up. Ooni is 13.5 in tall, 9.9 wide, 17.2 deep.
- Pick where it lives. 66 lb stays where you set it, on the counter or a cart. One owner warns it does not fit a counter the way other mixers do.
- Going Famag? Call Pleasant Hill Grain. Ask the Ruby clearance's condition and the return terms. I could not read the return terms on their site.
- Going Ooni? Check its sale page once a list is up, then sign up for the code yourself if the Pro is left out.
Black Friday, Nov 27, 2026
| Mixer | What I found |
|---|---|
| Famag | No Black Friday record anywhere. Clearance is the only discount seen. Waiting looks pointless. |
| Ooni Halo Pro | Sale page says coming soon with no list yet (read Nov 6). A search summary says last year's terms left the Pro out at $799. I could not open those terms. 20% off the range in 2020 came before this mixer existed. |
| Ankarsrum | No sale found. One seller adds a $100 gift card at $749.95, undated. |
| Zacme | Flash sales run all year, so no need to wait for a date. |
Why Famag over Ooni
- Proof at your batch. Owners report 1.5 kg directly, at up to 78% water. A reviewer also calls the Ooni a fit for double batches, so this edge is small.
- Failures look fixable, but this count is uneven. Famag owners report bowl lock trouble that the seller fixes with shims, and one owner's bowl sensor kept shutting the mixer off. Ooni's one star list has dead units and stuck hooks. I counted every Ooni one star review, but read only part of Famag's.
- A phone and parts. The seller stays the service center after warranty too.
- Handles one loaf. Ooni's listed minimum is over one loaf.
- Regular sprocket, not HH. Seller says HH is for over 75% water. Yours is 73%.
Against it: 47 reviews is a small sample, the seller runs a review sweepstakes, Perfect Loaf's unit was free, and it costs more than twice the Ooni. If your counter says no, the Ooni is a real spiral and my guess is you lose little on the dough.
Ooni one star reviews, my count of all 26
| Type | Count | What owners describe |
|---|---|---|
| Hook stuck or snapped | 7 | Often after 2 or 3 uses. One replacement stuck too. |
| Dead, defective, electrical | 7 | Lights on with no spin, overheated then dead, a smell. |
| Cracked parts | 2 | Attachments, poor fit. |
| Heat, flour pockets, noise | 3 | One warm at 1,000 g of bagel dough. |
| Service or shipping only | 4 | Wrong order, wrong part, lost order. |
| Not about bread | 3 | A pastry gripe, an unsubscribe, a misrated rave. |
That is 14 mechanical out of 1,009 reviews, 1.4%, and reviews undercount failures. Most came early, inside the 60 day refund. Ooni's star split: 844, 92, 38, 9, 26.
Taking the hook off and cleaning hook and shaft after each mix is general mixer advice. I found no Ooni fix for a seized hook. If it binds, stop and contact Ooni.
Timed tests from one reviewer
That Sourdough Gal, updated Aug 7, 2026. Units were free, links earn commission, and she never tested a Famag. Dough was 540 g flour at about 68% water, smaller than yours. Her own pick for most people is the Zacme.
| Mixer | Minutes | Warmed, 3 / 13 min | Noise dB |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ooni Halo Pro | 7 to 12 | 2 / 9 F | 67 to 84 |
| Bosch Universal Plus | 7 to 12 | 3 / 6 F | 80 to 90 |
| Ankarsrum | 8 to 15 | 1 / 1 F | 73 to 89 |
| Zacme | 12 to 18 | cooled 1 / 2 F | 55 to 71 |
| KitchenAid bowl lift | 20 to 30+ | 1 / 2 F | 74 to 84 |
Also read: Tom's Guide gave the Ooni Editor's Choice after months of use.
Famag owners and testers
- Seller reviews: good development near 1,500 g from a retired bakery owner, who wishes for a timer. 1.5 kg of pain au levain at 78%, and pumpernickel at a size not stated. Up to 8 lb with no strain or heat.
- The Perfect Loaf (IM-8S, free unit): highly recommends. Gives short low and medium mix times for rye and whole wheat, which the mixer steps here start from.
- Fresh Loaf: one IM-5S owner calls it very sturdy and hard to bog down, and says to get the tilting head with the removable bowl.
- Climbing scare turned out to be the reverse button. 900 g of ciabatta ran fine.
- Bowl lock trouble for several owners from 2020 to 2024. The seller sends shims. Others had no issue.
- One owner returned an Ankarsrum for it. Another preferred it over the then new Ooni for spare parts.
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How much to feed
Getting it going
| When | Do | Expect | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Now | Stir in or pour off any liquid on top. Keep 50 g. Add the flour and water, stir, cover loosely. | May show nothing for up to 12 h. | |
| Every 12 h | Same feed. Rubber band at the level after each one. | More bubbles each round. | |
| Ready when | It doubles or triples within 6 to 8 h of a feed. | Now it can raise bread. | |
| To keep it | Counter: same feed about every 24 h. Fridge: same feed weekly, rest 1 to 2 h, then back in. | Fridge means fewer feeds and less discard. |
King Arthur feeds with all purpose flour. Tap water is fine unless it smells of chemicals. Each feed leaves 100 g of discard, which makes 6 pancakes.
Build for a bake
| Plan | Starter | Flour | Water | Feed at | You keep |
|---|
Either way, use it when bubbly and about doubled. The choice sets the feed row in your schedule. King Arthur gives the 1:1:1 timing. The 1:2:2 timing is my estimate, so check it the first time.
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Discard pancakes
Ingredients
Steps
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Tips and the overnight version
- Small batch: whisk one egg in a cup, measure what you need, scramble the rest.
- Too thick, a splash of milk. Too thin, a spoon of flour.
- Very sour discard tastes tangier, so add a little sugar. Leftovers freeze well and reheat in a toaster.
- The soda stays at full amount because it cancels the discard's acid. That is my reasoning.
- King Arthur's classic uses an overnight sponge with buttermilk, if you want to plan ahead.
Reassessed Nov 5 to 6, 2026
What changed from the old pages
The old session could not open any source page. This pass read them. Your settings stayed as they were.
| Topic | Old page | Now | Why |
|---|---|---|---|
| First rise, 68 F, 5,280 ft | 6.25 h, and it blamed a cold kitchen or young starter for your long rise | About 11 h. Your kitchen is fine. | Your note plus two charts. A low starter share in a cool room runs long. |
| Schedule | Set the time for start, oven or ready only | Tap any step. Move the whole plan, or keep earlier steps once you have started. | Your ask for start and end times on parts of the process. |
| Boiling point | 212 minus altitude / 500, so 201 F | Altitude / 550, so 202 F. Center done at 195 to 200 F. | Sourdough Home gives 198 F at 7,703 ft. |
| Famag sprocket | HH needed above 70% | HH is for over 75%. Regular fits your 73%. | Seller page. |
| Famag price | $1,750 for the HH | $1,750 regular, $1,785 HH, $1,605 Ruby HH clearance. | Seller pages, read Nov 6. |
| Famag minimum | 0.8 kg | 0.5 kg. | Seller spec. |
| Top mixers | Bosch, Ankarsrum, KitchenAid | Famag, Ooni, Ankarsrum, with Zacme as the cheap one. | KitchenAid took 20 to 30+ min. Bosch warms dough. Neither is what you asked for. |
| Mix time | 2 to 3 minutes, not 30 | Target about 15 min with weighing. | 2 to 3 min only covered stirring. Your real number was 30. |
| Starter ready | Doubles in 4 to 8 h, 75 to 80 F water | Doubles or triples in 6 to 8 h, lukewarm water. | King Arthur. |
| Pancakes | No altitude change | Baking powder cut 25% at 5,000 ft and up. | King Arthur's chart goes to half here. The 25% is my choice, a smaller first step. Colorado State's search summary shows less. |
Kept: 50 g starter feed on a 12 h cycle. Salt 8 g. Bake times, which sit in family with King Arthur's Dutch oven loaf. Plus 2 g water per 1,000 ft and 5 min more uncovered: sources back the direction, and the numbers are estimates.
Sources read
| Source | Backs |
|---|---|
| Sourdough Journey article and chart | Rise target by dough temp, hours, flour x 1.5 |
| Ferment calculator | Hours by temp and starter share, the 15 F doubling |
| Colorado State Extension | Altitude direction: faster rise, drier flour, fridge rise |
| Sourdough Home | Boiling point, done temp, longer bake, skin in dry air |
| King Arthur high altitude | Leavener chart, fridge rise |
| King Arthur starter and feeding | Feed amounts, cycle, ready test, 70 to 78 F |
| Pleasant Hill Grain | Famag and Ankarsrum prices, specs, owner reviews |
| Ooni | Price, refund, warranty, dough range, all 26 one star reviews |
| That Sourdough Gal | Timed tests across five mixers |
| The Perfect Loaf | Famag mix times for rye and whole wheat |
| The Fresh Loaf threads | Owner reports, listed under Famag owners on the Mixer tab |
| Your recipe sheet and your handwritten note | Formula, method, the 11 to 13 h. The note is faint. |